Tina Brown

I thought we should be doing festivals, you know, conferences.

I did one conference.

I managed to slip one in.

And I said, I think we should be doing live events.

And I laid out this whole kind of thing.

And he just looked at me and he said, stick to your knitting, Tina.

You're an editor.

Is that a quote?

That is a quote.

And I just was like so...

bummed by the whole thing.

And I must say, one of the things I find exciting at the moment, actually, is the fact to see Barry Weiss, who's created the Free Press and has sold it now to the Ellisons for $150 million and has gone on to run CBS.

I thought that's just so great that she was able to

be heard, essentially, as someone whose business concept was right and correct and interesting.

So she shows, I think, the difference in the eras, if you like.

Well, I mean, I think Barry saw the rise of

irritation with woke culture, as it was said.

And she wrote it to the top, if you know what I mean.

She created sort of free press around that irritation, if you like, and did it very well.

She has a bigger challenge now that the Trump world has turned that whole concept into something so much more ugly, frankly.