Tina Smith

I mean, even Medicare for all, which was seen as being incredibly radical, a majority of Americans want to see a complete revamping of our healthcare system.

So all of that argues to me that we need a body, a Senate and a Congress that's capable of making those kinds of big changes.

When I read what James Carville said, I was thinking about how my view of it is that for the last 10 years, I think the Democratic Party, the National Democratic Party, has been kind of stuck in a – it's like we're stuck in a bad relationship.

We've so defined ourselves by being opposed to Trump.

It's like we've forgotten how to do the other part of our job, which is to put forward an aggressive, strong, positive vision that is about where we think the country ought to go.

And I think we need to break up with this old relationship that we have, and we need to be much more bold about what it is that we're proposing.

And I think that's what Carville is getting at.

Well, super interesting question, right?

Because, I mean, what Trump is doing is he is seizing massive amounts of power.

Let's just take, for example, his policy around what to do about people who are inside the country, maybe without documents, maybe illegally, maybe they are here legally.

And so he's doing something very radical when it comes to his immigration policy.

The last time I saw, that's dramatically unpopular.

Right.

People do not like it.

Yes, of course, people want to see secure borders.

They do not want people who are criminals.

They don't want dangerous products to come into.

They don't want drugs to come into our country.

But it is highly unpopular.

So I think that the thing that's missing is, in your question, what I'm responding to is we ought to be able to meet the needs of Americans and what they want.