Tina Smith

And I think we need to break up with this old relationship that we have, and we need to be much more bold about what it is that we're proposing.

And I think that's what Carville is getting at.

Well, super interesting question, right?

Because, I mean, what Trump is doing is he is seizing massive amounts of power.

Let's just take, for example, his policy around what to do about people who are inside the country, maybe without documents, maybe illegally, maybe they are here legally.

And so he's doing something very radical when it comes to his immigration policy.

The last time I saw, that's dramatically unpopular.

Right.

People do not like it.

Yes, of course, people want to see secure borders.

They do not want people who are criminals.

They don't want dangerous products to come into.

They don't want drugs to come into our country.

But it is highly unpopular.

So I think that the thing that's missing is, in your question, what I'm responding to is we ought to be able to meet the needs of Americans and what they want.

And that's not been happening.

Well, so it's interesting because.

Now, today, the Affordable Care Act is one of the – I mean, it's very popular.

People like it, and I strongly support it.

But there's an element here of accountability.