Tinie Tempah

And we speak on the phone, you know, once a week on a Sunday, we get on the phone.

And again, it's that same thing.

Like, wow.

Like I saw, oh, you did Dragons Den because obviously he's watching the TV.

Oh, so you did Dragons Den.

Oh, I saw your performance on Graham Norton.

Oh, this is so sick.

And like, it's such an emotional, like,

time in my week yeah because I'm like oh bro like he was even around from pass out like he ended up going to prison just after pass out I remember I met him in Newcastle he came to see like almost like the official launch party then after that he was gone so we talk on the phone and I'm just like you said there's a kind of survivor's guilt there where it's like oh wow like

I just, yeah, I can't believe that I'm, everything I'm telling you is like stuff that you would have never imagined and you're kind of where you are and you're not able to experience this or kind of do it for yourself.

So I think therapy was great because yes, it's super lonely in the journey and we're very fortunate and privileged in various different ways.

Very lucky.

But it's nice to kind of just express yourself to someone who,

They probably are judgmental.

They probably are super judgmental.

Did you guys do therapy as well?

Yeah, it's really helpful.

But then it was out of control.

Yeah, but with what you're saying, there's a point where it starts to define you and then your value kind of is directly associated with that.

And I was very worried because this thing is so up and down.