Tobi Lütke

So I think everything is just kind of ready and so much more accessible.

Usually during times, yeah, like it's, I don't have a right, I'm not right now seeing one, but like it's generally, like, I mean, COVID was crazy and well documented and

before, it's usually when things get a little bit more tough going that there's more entrepreneurship.

In fact, it's funny, almost all the companies, this is something you can easily check with other people from tech industry and other industry, other entrepreneurs.

If you ask them, almost all of them ended up starting their companies during some kind of nuclear winter or something, right?

Like I, sure before I started in the shadow of dot-com, I used to remember that.

That's a long time ago now, but...

You know what dot-com was?

It's mostly e-commerce.

Pets.com and that then.

And then everyone's like, oh, never mind.

All this technology stuff, all this e-commerce stuff is useless.

Now it's all falling apart, and we never need tech companies again.

Yeah, it turns out the ideas were right.

They just were too early.

There was not enough internet there.

So anyway, I only learned really about this.

I wasn't paying that much attention.

Then I tried to fundraise, and then everyone told me, well, what, e-commerce?

Like, haven't we tried this before?