Toby Green

One, mental health.

two past players and the third one is sort of like joining the two and that's career transition i think they're three of the biggest problems facing their game and we've seen it across the last 12 to 18 months the amount of challenges that are through our game you know unfortunately we've seen suicide there are divorces there's financial distress there's mental health issues all these things that we're seeing across the plethora of players at the moment

And if we come back to mental health, which to me is probably the number one, we go, well, what are the systems in place?

Yep, every club has two PDMs, one in charge of sort of like the indigenous part of the program, the other broadly.

And then we also generally have a psychologist.

If you look at what's on their remit,

two PDMs, play development managers, sorry, just doesn't get it done with what's required.

If you want to incorporate mental health and making sure players are attuned to that, it doesn't seem like it's cutting it.

And then I think, what about our psychology programs?

Yeah, largely performance psychologists, Gerard, inside AFL clubs, not so much the broader piece.

And yes, they can touch and they can cross over.

But there's some work, like personally, when I played, I had the performance psych at the club and then I had my own psych outside of that.

And that's sort of how I positioned myself.

And I think, as I said, if you then look at that and you go, okay, well, have the AFL put in a structure in every club to give every club the best chance, every player the best chance to handle what I think increasing demands.

If you think about level of scrutiny, like, I think there's like, I don't know, this is going to be, I'm going to get well wrong and everyone's going to yell at me, but somewhere between 10 and 20 footy shows now a week, Jared, there's

There are more journalists associated with the AFL than the government, from what I've been told.

And then you've got social media now, from Instagram to Twitter to TikTok.

It's all encompassing.

So I think if you think about the strain on the players, I don't think we've got the structure right.

And then B, the governance, like...