Tom Bradby

I don't know.

Is that the same as cheerful?

I don't know.

Maybe not.

Well, the reason I ask the question is...

I started out in journalism in 1990.

The year before I came in, I was mostly bunking off my studies to watch the Berlin Wall come down, or the Velvet Revolution in Prague, or the violent revolution in Romania, or shortly afterwards, Mandela being released.

You felt like the world was on this arc.

Then, of course, there were the Yugoslav wars and stuff that went wrong, but that felt like against

the pattern of a broader arc going in the right direction.

I can't quite shake at the moment the sense that the world is broadly going in a less positive direction on a quite steady arc the other way.

I don't want to feel not cheerful about the prospects, but I wonder what you both thought.

No, we can't.

Reasons to be cheerful.

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I mean, not this one per se, but your show is great listening.

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It's a great show.

Here I am doing your ad for you, but it's worth it.

My first novel came out.