Tom Drake

Because as things progressed, I was under extraordinary electronic surveillance. I knew they'd eventually catch up with me. I knew that I might find myself being pulled out of my house or having my house raided or my office down at the National Defense University. And that's exactly what happened.

The early, this is my technical background. I knew that they would start monitoring me electronically with, because they could. Via your. Their own means. I could see, I set up, I set up logs. I could see where they were attempting to break into my system. I had a network at home. Remember, I'd been in long into this. Okay. I was, you know, back in the early days, pre-internet. Yes. BBSs.

The early, this is my technical background. I knew that they would start monitoring me electronically with, because they could. Via your. Their own means. I could see, I set up, I set up logs. I could see where they were attempting to break into my system. I had a network at home. Remember, I'd been in long into this. Okay. I was, you know, back in the early days, pre-internet. Yes. BBSs.

The early, this is my technical background. I knew that they would start monitoring me electronically with, because they could. Via your. Their own means. I could see, I set up, I set up logs. I could see where they were attempting to break into my system. I had a network at home. Remember, I'd been in long into this. Okay. I was, you know, back in the early days, pre-internet. Yes. BBSs.

Waze, Gopher. I was, you know, I, before internet was internet in terms of public eye. Back in the 80s.

Waze, Gopher. I was, you know, I, before internet was internet in terms of public eye. Back in the 80s.

Waze, Gopher. I was, you know, I, before internet was internet in terms of public eye. Back in the 80s.

Yes. You were prepared. Weird things like the Verizon DSL box would get reset. I'd call them up and they'd say, oh, you have to pass. It's like, wait a minute. Yeah, they were remotely resetting it. But I had multiple firewalls, both hardware and software. Wow. I don't ever believe, although it's possible, I never saw that they actually got into my computers. Oh, really? No, that's right.

Yes. You were prepared. Weird things like the Verizon DSL box would get reset. I'd call them up and they'd say, oh, you have to pass. It's like, wait a minute. Yeah, they were remotely resetting it. But I had multiple firewalls, both hardware and software. Wow. I don't ever believe, although it's possible, I never saw that they actually got into my computers. Oh, really? No, that's right.

Yes. You were prepared. Weird things like the Verizon DSL box would get reset. I'd call them up and they'd say, oh, you have to pass. It's like, wait a minute. Yeah, they were remotely resetting it. But I had multiple firewalls, both hardware and software. Wow. I don't ever believe, although it's possible, I never saw that they actually got into my computers. Oh, really? No, that's right.

In some ways, I take some pride in that. I knew what their capabilities were. But the problem was there's what's called zero-day exploits. It was always possible, right? So I had to assume I was compromised anyways. But see, people say, well, gee, if you know that, why didn't you get rid of everything?

In some ways, I take some pride in that. I knew what their capabilities were. But the problem was there's what's called zero-day exploits. It was always possible, right? So I had to assume I was compromised anyways. But see, people say, well, gee, if you know that, why didn't you get rid of everything?

In some ways, I take some pride in that. I knew what their capabilities were. But the problem was there's what's called zero-day exploits. It was always possible, right? So I had to assume I was compromised anyways. But see, people say, well, gee, if you know that, why didn't you get rid of everything?

I had nothing to hide, to use that, which I don't like that phrase, because that comes from Joseph Goebbels, right? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about, so who cares what we know about you? Wait a minute. That's not the point. I used to do exercises on privacy and people get to, oh yeah, no, that's me. Why is it you? No, because I don't want them to know it. Why?

I had nothing to hide, to use that, which I don't like that phrase, because that comes from Joseph Goebbels, right? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about, so who cares what we know about you? Wait a minute. That's not the point. I used to do exercises on privacy and people get to, oh yeah, no, that's me. Why is it you? No, because I don't want them to know it. Why?

I had nothing to hide, to use that, which I don't like that phrase, because that comes from Joseph Goebbels, right? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about, so who cares what we know about you? Wait a minute. That's not the point. I used to do exercises on privacy and people get to, oh yeah, no, that's me. Why is it you? No, because I don't want them to know it. Why?

Because that's me. Oh, so there is some ownership here in terms of your own privacy. Ah, right? Privacy is essential to even living. Yes, 100%. As much as people want to dump stuff out there, right? It's amazing what people put out there, right? But there is something about who we are, the essence, but that's a different conversation. Yes. So I'm,

Because that's me. Oh, so there is some ownership here in terms of your own privacy. Ah, right? Privacy is essential to even living. Yes, 100%. As much as people want to dump stuff out there, right? It's amazing what people put out there, right? But there is something about who we are, the essence, but that's a different conversation. Yes. So I'm,

Because that's me. Oh, so there is some ownership here in terms of your own privacy. Ah, right? Privacy is essential to even living. Yes, 100%. As much as people want to dump stuff out there, right? It's amazing what people put out there, right? But there is something about who we are, the essence, but that's a different conversation. Yes. So I'm,

I'm getting, then they start physically surveilling me. One, it was covert, covert. This is where John Kiriakou knows that really, really well, better than I do. But it was clear that they, and then it started to be overt. They wanted to make clear that we're onto you. Like they were now sort of- They want you to know that they're following you. Wanted me to know.