Tom Green

Yeah, exactly.

But it was a manufactured out of control.

I was out of control, but it was planned confusion, right?

Yeah.

So, but that kind of subtlety didn't really kind of pass the smell test.

So then you start to go, oh, geez, I better tone it down a little bit.

You know, better tone it down a little bit because this, and you sort of end up falling into that feeling where all of a sudden you're,

Like you said, going to an audition or driving out to a meeting.

Trying to make something that they like and fit into their mold and try to get your own little creative shots off within that mold.

But no longer are you actually being purely creative.

yourself, right?

And you can't.

It's not even possible.

And so then, you know, you end up living there for 20 years, end up living there for 20 years, and it becomes normal pretty quickly, right?

And then you sort of slowly forget, oh, you know, oh, this is just the way it works, I guess, now.

And then eventually, you know, one day you go, I'm getting out of here.

And I got to say, you know, when you moved here, it was a bit of a

a light bulb, I think, for me, too.

It was inspiring for me because I sort of realized, oh, look at that.

Joe's leaving.