Tom Hardin

Yeah, yeah, he's, yeah.

Yeah, so didn't talk to Frank.

He never called me back.

So I just started doing this at the conferences.

And really what I do today is this compliance training, financial services, but any regular industry, like...

Medical technology where there's risk of bribing doctors or that type of thing where you talk about, it's called the slippery slope, how it starts and apply it to that industry.

And it's sort of, I view this as like my act of, I think it's some kind of therapy for me, like just talking in front of crowds.

They're very much like, why did we bring this in?

And you see their body language change during it.

And they come up and they're like, I kind of see how it all happened.

Your boss is looking the other way.

And at my company, I could see something like that.

Maybe not to that degree of a cash payoff or something, but it might be my situation here where I can make that wrong decision.

And I don't know if you found this in speaking engagements.

So people come up and confess.

Not maybe crimes, but like the worst thing they ever did.

I was speaking in London a few months ago and a woman confessed to me like a 20-year affair she was having with a married man.

I want to say I just bought these four stocks.

But people, I think the vulnerability has people open up.

And I'm like, oh, wow, there's something here.