Tom Hardin

So I can kind of, if the speaking were to slow down, I might have something else I can sort of fall back on.

No, that's really fulfilling when you hear that.

They keep talking about it and it sparks conversation, you know, years later, even some of my clients would be like, oh, one of our employees came and realized they were rationalizing something and you don't really know you're doing it until you're doing, or you hear somebody talk about that.

And they came and asked the right questions and we got to the heart of this, but

It's interesting because it always does start with that small decision, like the 1040 guy figured like, well, this is normalized behavior or everybody does it is a common thing for people to fall prey to.

So if we can relate our own stories to something that they might be experiencing, then that's really, I think, a preventative thing.

And so much of it, too, is like the culture inside the company where people talk about like tone at the top of the organization.

And I would say tone is just a signal.

It's like the behaviors that you see is how things become normalized.

One definition I have for culture is like the behaviors employees believe will put them ahead.

Like that's really like what the culture is.

It's not the tone at the top or the poster on the wall.

Like that's, that can be hypocritical.

It's not actually, you know, but that's, yeah, that's how things start.

Have you, did you ever write a book?

So I'm working on, so I have a book proposal now that I'm shopping to like the big five publishers.

Right.

And I'm working with a young writer director on a scripted rights situation right now.

And so we're hoping to get a scripted rights sort of pilot or something written up.

The book people, because I'm not famous or don't have a huge following, they're like, this is a great story, but he's not famous.