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Tom Nichols

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

There's stuff happening out there, exactly. But I went to Europe because my wife and I decided that after the election, win, lose, or draw, no matter how it came out, we planned like six months ago that after just living through all this politics that we were going to pull chocks.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

And so we started in London and we went through Paris and Brussels and ended up walking the cobblestone streets of Prague. And it was very nice. But it was interesting because I went in 2017 after the election, and people would say, oh, you're an American. What's going on with that new president? This time people were like, yeah, whatever. I ran into a few British tourists.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

And so we started in London and we went through Paris and Brussels and ended up walking the cobblestone streets of Prague. And it was very nice. But it was interesting because I went in 2017 after the election, and people would say, oh, you're an American. What's going on with that new president? This time people were like, yeah, whatever. I ran into a few British tourists.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

And so we started in London and we went through Paris and Brussels and ended up walking the cobblestone streets of Prague. And it was very nice. But it was interesting because I went in 2017 after the election, and people would say, oh, you're an American. What's going on with that new president? This time people were like, yeah, whatever. I ran into a few British tourists.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

They're like, well, interesting, mate. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, whatever. The few times that politics came up when I was with groups, I ran into some Americans and ran into other people overseas. And, you know, I just found myself and them with that sort of same vibe we all have over here of like, I don't know, you can't even sum it up in a word.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

They're like, well, interesting, mate. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, whatever. The few times that politics came up when I was with groups, I ran into some Americans and ran into other people overseas. And, you know, I just found myself and them with that sort of same vibe we all have over here of like, I don't know, you can't even sum it up in a word.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

They're like, well, interesting, mate. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, whatever. The few times that politics came up when I was with groups, I ran into some Americans and ran into other people overseas. And, you know, I just found myself and them with that sort of same vibe we all have over here of like, I don't know, you can't even sum it up in a word.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

It's more like, yeah, you know, this sort of this kind of sigh of exhaustion of like, Jesus Christ, here we go again.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

It's more like, yeah, you know, this sort of this kind of sigh of exhaustion of like, Jesus Christ, here we go again.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

It's more like, yeah, you know, this sort of this kind of sigh of exhaustion of like, Jesus Christ, here we go again.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

The first time you could write it off and say, most of us aren't like this. Most of us wouldn't want this guy in our house talking to our kids. But look, he won 49.8% of the vote or whatever it was. He won โ€“ As I said in 2016, he won fair and square. Doesn't matter whether you like him or not. He's the duly elected president, you know, 47th president.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

The first time you could write it off and say, most of us aren't like this. Most of us wouldn't want this guy in our house talking to our kids. But look, he won 49.8% of the vote or whatever it was. He won โ€“ As I said in 2016, he won fair and square. Doesn't matter whether you like him or not. He's the duly elected president, you know, 47th president.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

The first time you could write it off and say, most of us aren't like this. Most of us wouldn't want this guy in our house talking to our kids. But look, he won 49.8% of the vote or whatever it was. He won โ€“ As I said in 2016, he won fair and square. Doesn't matter whether you like him or not. He's the duly elected president, you know, 47th president.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

And you can't write that off as an accident anymore. You have to say this is, you know, this is what American voters wanted. And before I get angry mail from Democrats who say, well, it's not what we wanted. Well, you know, you didn't show up. So by default, you were either OK with it or it didn't bother you enough to show up in the numbers that you did in 2020.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

And you can't write that off as an accident anymore. You have to say this is, you know, this is what American voters wanted. And before I get angry mail from Democrats who say, well, it's not what we wanted. Well, you know, you didn't show up. So by default, you were either OK with it or it didn't bother you enough to show up in the numbers that you did in 2020.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

And you can't write that off as an accident anymore. You have to say this is, you know, this is what American voters wanted. And before I get angry mail from Democrats who say, well, it's not what we wanted. Well, you know, you didn't show up. So by default, you were either OK with it or it didn't bother you enough to show up in the numbers that you did in 2020.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

So, you know, it is kind of who we are that either we actively wanted this or it didn't really bother us enough to be, you know, arsed enough to kind of go vote. So, yeah, there was that sense. I think I don't think it's defeat, though, Tim. I think it's exotic. I think you got it right with it's just like acceptance, like whatever, you know.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

So, you know, it is kind of who we are that either we actively wanted this or it didn't really bother us enough to be, you know, arsed enough to kind of go vote. So, yeah, there was that sense. I think I don't think it's defeat, though, Tim. I think it's exotic. I think you got it right with it's just like acceptance, like whatever, you know.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

So, you know, it is kind of who we are that either we actively wanted this or it didn't really bother us enough to be, you know, arsed enough to kind of go vote. So, yeah, there was that sense. I think I don't think it's defeat, though, Tim. I think it's exotic. I think you got it right with it's just like acceptance, like whatever, you know.

The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness

I am both more and I'm going to give you one of those Weasley answers. I'm more optimistic, Tim, but I'm less optimistic too.