Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness
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Hey everybody, it's Tim. During this podcast, me and Tom Nichols discuss speculation that Congressman Jared Moskowitz, a Democrat from Florida, was going to be named the FEMA director in the Trump administration since we taped... Moskowitz tweeted that he is not going to be interested in that job and that he'll be running for reelection as a Democrat in Florida, something that I commend him for. I want to leave that exchange, though, in the podcast, because I do think it speaks to some real fundamental questions about how this. Democrats and how the handful of anti-Trump Republicans that exist, how they should deal with this administration and kind of the ethics of that and the strategic thinking around, you know, how to engage with the Trump administration.
So we're going to keep that in there because I think the conversation is informative around that question. But the good news is Moskowitz is not going anywhere. The Democrats are not going to lose a seat in the House of Representatives. All right. Up next, our friend Tom Nichols. Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. I've been having fun in the green room. But before we get to the guest, we're in the final stretch between Christmas or Hanukkah or whatever you're celebrating this year. Trump is going to be president again, so we're saying Merry Christmas again. So if you want to be a Bulwark member and you haven't yet, you can go to thebulwark.com slash subscribe. That can be a Christmas present to yourself or to a loved one. Come on, join.
We need to be together because out there in the rest of the world, it's scary and dark and bad. And so, you know, we might as well be dealing with that, processing it. You know my favorite word, processing all that together over this holiday season. Go to theblork.com slash subscribe. Today, of course, my guest is Professor Emeritus of the Naval War College. He's a staff writer at The Atlantic. He's the author of The Atlantic Daily Newsletter. His books include The Death of Expertise. Dropping on Christmas Eve is an audiobook rendition read by Tom himself. It is Tom Nichols. He just blew his nose in the green room. I don't know if that's happening on the audiobook, too, if people are just getting old man sounds. And what do you do? Do you freelance?
Do you do the Trump thing where you read the words on the page and then you vamp a little bit or what? Yeah, I stop every other paragraph and I go, so true, so true. So true. Great point, Tom. That is a good point, Tom. All right, Tom Nichols, I hear you're in Europe. You're in Europe, Prague, Brussels. What's the view from our European allies?
Oh, you know, I purposely went there with intending to avoid the news, which I did. I just tuned into the to the Beeb to keep up on the serious stuff. And it was a very nice break. It was a reminder of how self-absorbed American politics has become that, you know, you turn on BBC World and you find out a lot about basically that the entire geopolitical order of the Middle East is being reorganized rather than, you know, what Pete Hegseth's tattoos mean.
You know, there's news in Romania. You know, there's coups in South Korea. There's stuff happening out there.
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