Tom Papley

That's my bottom line.

So I would suggest you don't have to do anything, but you're probably going to have to make a bit of peace with that because offense and defense is going to be part of the vernacular in footy.

And we do get a bit Americanized, don't we?

Oh, 100% we do.

And you go along to basketball and it's all defense.

We've been fed a lot of it through TV over the years, and a lot of the commentators now have had all their early days of watching TV would have been about American TV programs and also sport.

They've been watching the sport over the years.

I don't find it offensive.

Do you find it offensive?

No, I don't, but I don't.

begrudge Andrew.

I'm sure it drives a lot of people batty, some of the things we say, but it might not be going away.

We've got a couple of minutes here.

Joel's joined us.

Go, Joel.

Oh, no.

It's dropped out.

Now our phone line's down too.

The whole system's just... Everything's crashing around us.

The minute you started mentioning the budget, the whole thing's gone crashing down.