Tom Rosenthal

Completely.

And that's the...

It says a lot about the world we live in, but also just, you know, general Western society, the whole thing that so many things take us away from that.

And we've got to like, it's such a battle to be that, you know, the whole thing about labels is one of them.

You know, being forced to do things at school you might want to do.

I mean, you know, do maths, do this because you just have to.

Why don't I?

Well, you're doing it.

Your parents saying, well, I'm not sure about this, but maybe you should be doing this instead.

Or, you know, there's so many hurdles.

It's not like it's just one coming at you.

There's so many forces that want you to be over here instead of over there.

And it is such a battle and it's so easy to lose that battle.

With this podcast, people comment.

You know, you can make comments on different places.

And one of the comments fairly recently said, what this podcast has made me realise is that if you listen to someone for long enough, you basically can't help but love them.

As in, you know, if you spend enough time with someone in a meaningful way, you'll understand why it is they are the way they are.

Yeah, the more I talk to people, I'm made aware of that.

I recognise we're all just people.

I'm also very drawn to, as I go on with this project, almost like chucking in some really complex characters and let's give them the time to explain it all and talk about their parents, where they've come from, decisions they've had, the traumas that have been thrust upon them.