Tom Simon

who don't like China and are very outspoken, and transmit that information back to China.

China's really hung up on that, like the Falun Gong people and stuff like that, about people who are here kind of opposing human rights abuses in China.

They like keeping their finger on the pulse of that.

Yeah, don't they like...

Kidnapping them too and trying to get them back to China?

It's like a big deal.

It's a preoccupation.

More kind of interesting to me is that they also direct Ping to steal and provide information from Verizon pertaining to cybersecurity measures

So the Chinese intelligence services can breach the firewalls established to keep our phone communications private.

They wanted to be able to hack into Verizon phones.

And Ping was more than happy to kind of give them the keys to make that happen.

They're paying him something.

I don't have the dollar amount, actually.

One thing I do know is that they don't pay much.

They don't pay much.

So I'm sure Ping is getting paid something.

I don't have that information.

It never came out in the case.

So the FBI monitors communications between Chinese intelligence and U.S.

citizens pretty regularly, right?