Tom Simon

But with the guidelines and stuff like this, there's just a lot of latitude that the judges have.

I think that the 60 kids, if it was 60, whose faces were now attached to these images,

that's probably what drove the judge.

Oh, I'm sure.

We have 60 victims here, whether they were abused or not.

Now, this is the abuse of them, the creation of these photos.

If I'm the agent, I get at least five or six of those parents there who knew him to come and testify about how violated they feel in their victim impact statements.

They've sort of defanged a lot of that, though, when the Supreme Court came back down and said that the sentencing guidelines are now advisory.

They're acclimating them to the idea that you keep swimming because eventually the hand of God is going to come and pull you out and save your life.

Right.

So I have no idea what the order of magnitude is, but I bet it's substantial.

It's...

Little lottery tickets.

All right.

Interesting.

So you grew up a Catholic kid, right?

Just like I did.

You ever go to religious retreats when you were a Catholic kid?

Where you go and sleep away for a few days.

Your parents must have been pretty happy that that was your thing and you were going away to a religious retreat and not like hanging out in the streets with switchblades and stuff like that, right?