Tom Steyer

And those are two separate questions.

The first one, the governor's step of bringing all of the housing into one place is a good first step, but not nearly enough because a large part about the problems in timing and cost of housing have to do with multiple overlapping agencies who have different goals and conflicting goals.

So that is a good first step.

But in terms of the cities and counties, there's been a sense on this stage that they're doing something wrong, that it's basically nimbyism.

They don't want to do it, and therefore they obstruct.

And what I was trying to say the first time is this.

There is an element of that, of course.

But there's also the element that they can't afford to do this, that they are getting every housing development is an unfunded mandate.

And I'm the only person on the stage who's saying, I'll pass a proposition to bring over $20 billion to the cities and counties so it's no longer an unfunded mandate.

And to a large extent, when you're asking how do you get along with people, a lot of it is about relationships.

And I'm sure that we would have in my administration, I have particular people in mind who have long relationships here and would be part of what I would think of an office of intergovernmental affairs.

But the other question is this.

When you talk about carrots and sticks, you've got to have some carrots.

And I'm talking about $22 billion worth of carrots.

So let me say this, Ezra.

As you know, because you've done your research, I've done this three times.

And three times people have asked me questions where this was a much tougher decision.

proposition than the one that is split you mean ballot measures yes and i've done it when you think about ballot measures it's a question of is there funded opposition and i've done it against oil companies that are as funded in opposition as you're ever going to get and people told me we were crazy to do it and we got 70 of the vote we did the tobacco companies where the legislature had failed for 20 years to do it and we got over 60 of the vote and we also beat the

out-of-state companies weren't paying fair state income tax.

So in answer to your question, I've done it three times in the state of California in one, I've done it three times outside the state of California in one.