Tom Waitley

The fact that it's both gone to the tribunal is interesting as well.

But I guess the biggest difference and the discrepancy that I was referring to before with James Gallagher,

is that one is umpire abuse or alleged umpire abuse.

The other is a homophobic slur from a First Nations man that has transgressed in the same way before.

And I think the latter is far more delicate and far more concerning because of the community that is around that and the LGBTIQA plus community

that is clearly impacted by those sorts of words.

So as much as I feel for the umpires in this situation, I feel for Butters and Port Adelaide, I feel for that community far more because I think it's far more wide ranging.

It's less about the football and more about language in our society.

But I hear your point.

There are similarities in both.

Thank you, James, for your call.

Some text messages are coming through.

The Butters case will be thrown out

straight away on appeal just on the basis of legal process, let alone the flimsy evidence?

How can a juror leave the proceedings during closing arguments and reconnect while driving a car?

A clown show.

He was particularly short on that answer, wasn't he, James Gallagher?

Morning, Tom.

You need to get the umpire's point of view.

The players are not angels.