Tom Waitley

that you speak of.

And I just wonder whether those programs have been available to Lance Collard and others who've been in the same situations.

And they were hugely beneficial to me.

They weren't just a module where you go on for 45 minutes and tick a few multiple choice boxes.

It took me literally hundreds of hours to go through it and learn and educate myself on where I went wrong.

And I just hope Lance Collard has the same things available to him.

Paul, appreciate your call.

Thanks for jumping on.

Let's go to Albert in Essendon.

Albert, welcome to the show.

I think that's a pretty balanced take, Albert.

Appreciate you jumping on.

Let's go to Adrian in South Morang.

Welcome, Adrian.

Well, thanks.

How are you?

Yeah, and I hear you, Adrian.

I think with these ones, and a barrister actually texted in yesterday, in the absence of evidence, often the tribunal or juries can make assessments on the balance of probability, and they clearly felt as if, in this case, Nick Foote's

or Nick Foote's truth and reality was more convincing than that of Zach Butters and Ollie Wines, and you can make your own assessment about that.

Appreciate you jumping on, Adrian.