Tom Warren

She's always travelled with Phil and always been kind of like the face of Xbox over the past couple of years as Phil's kind of...

I say he's stepped back a little bit since the Activision Blizzard acquisition a little bit publicly.

But yes, so Sarah has kind of become the face of Xbox during that time.

And she took over the platform work, the hardware work.

So whenever there was any mention of like the next gen Xbox, it was Sarah that would come out and talk about it and not Phil.

So that's a change in itself, right?

Because it's usually Phil.

So I think everyone just kind of thought, okay, well, she's been prepped to be Phil's replacement eventually, whether it be a couple of years, five years, whatever.

It didn't happen.

But behind the scenes, I know that Xbox fans had heard, expected that this was going to happen.

Sarah Bond would be the heir apparent.

But behind the scenes for a good year or so, I've been hearing different things about Sarah Bond.

Different from what,

Perhaps the public perception is of her and just different, just not what you'd expect, I guess, from what you see of her and stuff.

So to me, it wasn't a surprise.

I was not surprised to see her not named, but I think it was more of a surprise to see Asher named.

Right.

Like that was that was kind of the surprise to me.

I know Asha a little bit.

I've spoken to her a few times, but she's like a non-gamer.