Tommy Vietor

Chelsea Football Club 1 he hands the trophy over and then stands in the midst of them and you know the footballers are confused they don't quite know what to do there's a standard way of doing this and then in the end they just like sod it they did it with him in the midst of it.

It's a remarkable image.

The smoke goes off, the confetti blows up, some of them are dancing, some of them are looking at the president.

He knew exactly what he was doing.

He knew that was the photo moment that would go around the world and that he'd become front and center.

So the World Cup contains that power times a million.

2018, Putin ran the World Cup and was very front and center.

2022, it was in Qatar, first game.

You and I watched, they had the Qatari leader sitting right by the Saudi Arabian, Mohammed bin Salman.

I believe this is your expertise, not mine, but the two of them had had frosty relations before that.

To see them unite was deeply...

um symbol like a symbol i think one was even wearing the scarf for the other country um so there's a story on the field there's always the story of it and the optics the soft power the hard power um is written all over this tournament every time it occurs

Yeah, I mean, while we're pitching ideas, I think there should be a FIFA music award, like a Grammy for like Kid Rock or something.

Vanilla ice.

I would say you will watch this World Cup with a split lens and who is invited and where they sit is for you.

And Pod Save the World is going to be, you know, I'd say a sport in itself, but it's not a sport.

That gives it a sense of a lack of meaning.

But that narrative will be enormous in macro ways.

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