Tommy Vietor

That's us.

Yeah.

In our office.

Yes, we did.

No, it wasn't Dan.

This person said to me, a shutdown is never a vehicle for a legislative victory.

At best, it's a vehicle for messaging, but usually voters just want the government to be open and to function.

Love it.

What do you think?

You can get more authorities, I think, is the concern, and make it happen faster and deeper cuts.

I know this person I was talking to today, not you guys.

Not us.

Clearly no one in Schumer's office either.

Right.

In the near term, I don't want anyone's premiums to go up.

I don't want anyone to get hurt.

But we are bailing Trump and the Republicans out of their own political problem.

And at some point, if we want his approval to go down, he needs to touch the hot stove.

Zooming out a little bit, like part of the meta conversation and what activists are telling Schumer is that this government is doing illegal, unconstitutional, terrible stuff and that we should not fund it.

We should not be a party to ice raids and rescissions and all the terrible things.