Tommy Vitor

Like, he's playing the role of a class traitor.

And I think that in some ways, like, makes him more kind of, I don't know, credible in the eyes of, you know, his populist fans.

It's not actually that different from what Trump does.

You know, he can sort of say, like, I've been in these rooms.

I've seen the way elites act.

And let me tell you, they're just as bad as you think.

And...

I think that he's comfortable kind of attacking these elites because I think in a way he personally feels that he was betrayed by them because they didn't

they didn't help him at his lowest moment.

And I think, I think, you know, as I try to show in the book, like that's not really totally true.

I mean, you know, he, he did get a job as MSNBC, you know, he was when he launched the daily caller, like, you know, the people who turned out to support that, you know, you sort of read the list of the people who were at the launch party and where the launch party was held.

You know, it's like, it's, you know, it's Jake Tapper, it's Juliana Glover, it's Mike Allen.

It's all these kinds of like, you know, creatures of, you know, what he now, you know, refers to as legacy media and disparages, but they were all like rooting for Tucker.

And, you know, I guess he's kind of sort of missed that a little bit or he kind of ignores it.

But, you know, that 2004 moment, I think, definitely kind of fed this resentment that

led him in addition to being, you know, able to kind of sort of intuit where the conservative base was, it made it easier for him to be kind of become a populist and, you know, stick the knife in these people who had once, you know, been his friends and his, you know, his allies and his cheerleaders.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, and like to his credit, it was so different from the other Fox shows.

I mean, you know, if you tuned into Hannity or you tuned into Laura Ingraham, like you knew what you were going to get, right?

Like Tucker was like pretty unpredictable.