Tommy Vitor

He will not take the bait.

You know, at that Turning Point conference where Ben Shapiro showed up and kind of read the riot act to Tucker and, you know, Fuentes and all these people, when it was Vance's turn to speak, he completely wussed out.

Yeah.

You know, and he said, I'm not here to cancel anybody.

And I think that's, he's made, I think, the calculus that Tucker's made, that you can't succeed in conservative politics these days and in the Republican Party without the neo-Nazis on your side.

Ah, I don't know.

Can you?

I mean, seriously.

I mean, I feel like the way our politics are going, I mean, you know, you don't have to be on the campaign trail every day.

You can just, you know, sit in a studio and, you know, put out tweets and the like.

I think it is possible to do it that way.

I mean, you have to do some travel.

But, you know, he did that.

I mean, he had his arena tour in 2024.

But, I mean, like putting aside kind of like the logistics, I mean, I think that, look, he –

I think it's important to think of him not as a media figure, but almost as a political operator.

I mean, because that's kind of the way he runs his media operation.

And he doesn't just want to be a podcaster.

And, you know, I think he really wants to change the country.

And I think the question for him is going to be, can he do that without actually running for office for himself?