Tony Blair

I mean, is there anything there?

that Kemi Badenoch or any conservative politician would disagree with?

Well, Ed Miliband, I'm sure, would turn around and say, well, hang on, we want to be leading the world.

in clean energy.

Well, you wince as I say that.

So Ed Miliband is a quixotic fantasist.

And that, of course, is the view that Donald Trump has expressed to Keir Starmer many a time.

I mean, Donald Trump is obviously a decisive figure in world politics right now.

Well, go on.

What did you want to say?

Okay.

Well, what was the right answer when Donald Trump said, can we use British bases to refuel our jets when they were attacking Iran, despite the fact that there had been no congressional approval, nothing had gone to the United Nations?

Okay.

And you explained that.

And I don't want to relitigate the Iraq war here because you've been interviewed endless times about that.

But your legacy is forever associated with the Iraq war and the sense that you got too close to an American president.

And arguably, the most popular thing that Keir Starmer has done is to say, no, Mr. President, you can't use our bases.

And that has given him, garnered him more support and respect as a result.

So that makes it right.

Well, I think there is an argument to be had.