Tony Fadell

It could have been called that, but we couldn't call it that in 2011 because people would have freaked out.

Now, you would have called it the Nest AI thermostat, right?

And people would have bought it.

And so we knew what AI was, right?

So since 2010, that was one of the foundational pieces of the company was AI.

And so that's how we were able to do a lot of the things we were able to do.

But it was much, you know, obviously not LLMs, but smaller stuff.

And we said, okay, we can see this world growing in this AI system.

And then voice assistants came.

Then there was Alexa and all that stuff that happened later on in 2013, 14, 15.

It's like, okay.

And that was Gen 1.

But we could see this kind of blossoming.

And, you know, unfortunately, in the fullness of time, it takes 15 years more, you know, from the time Nest launched for that vision to come to fruition.

But it is there now.

And if Nest was...

If we pitched it that way, we were just too early.

OK, well, Herman's I've known Herman since 1987, probably before any most of your listeners were even born.

But Herman, just for context, Herman was the creator of a core computer, which was the Apple two of the UK back in the 70s.

And then he created with his team the ARM processor.