Tony Gilroy

And I want to take equal interest and spend as much time understanding the bureaucrats and the enforcers of the rebellion.

And I want to take equal interest and spend as much time understanding the bureaucrats and the enforcers of the rebellion.

I think one of the fascinating things about fascism is that when it's done coming after the people whose land it wants and who it wants to oppress and whoever it wants to control, by the time it gets rid of the courts and the justice, and by the time it consolidates all its power in the center, it ultimately eats its young. It ultimately comes after its own... It consumes its own proponents.

I think one of the fascinating things about fascism is that when it's done coming after the people whose land it wants and who it wants to oppress and whoever it wants to control, by the time it gets rid of the courts and the justice, and by the time it consolidates all its power in the center, it ultimately eats its young. It ultimately comes after its own... It consumes its own proponents.

That's been the... It's just reading about the last days of Mussolini a month ago. And it's just like right out of the... People get lost and get hung out to dry. So I want to pay as much attention to the authoritarian side of this, the people who've cast their lot with the empire who get burned by it all. Sure.

That's been the... It's just reading about the last days of Mussolini a month ago. And it's just like right out of the... People get lost and get hung out to dry. So I want to pay as much attention to the authoritarian side of this, the people who've cast their lot with the empire who get burned by it all. Sure.

I never think about it that way. I never think about it that way. It was never... I mean, I never do.

I never think about it that way. I never think about it that way. It was never... I mean, I never do.

Do you identify with the empire?

Do you identify with the empire?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, my education is very, very spotty and not college graduate, but completely autodidactic. I grew up in a house with an amazing library, and I've been a very active reader my whole life. And I've done just an incredible number of deep dives in my life where I've become obsessed with all kinds of different things, and I've made my own syllabus, and I've I mean, I don't know.

I mean, my education is very, very spotty and not college graduate, but completely autodidactic. I grew up in a house with an amazing library, and I've been a very active reader my whole life. And I've done just an incredible number of deep dives in my life where I've become obsessed with all kinds of different things, and I've made my own syllabus, and I've I mean, I don't know.

I probably read Stefan Zweig's Marie Antoinette when I was 15 or 16 years old and started a French Revolution jag. And then, you know, and I probably revisited that. I probably revisited the French Revolution half a dozen times in my life. And probably the last thing I read was, oh, there's a great novel, Hilary Mantel's A Place of Greater Safety.

I probably read Stefan Zweig's Marie Antoinette when I was 15 or 16 years old and started a French Revolution jag. And then, you know, and I probably revisited that. I probably revisited the French Revolution half a dozen times in my life. And probably the last thing I read was, oh, there's a great novel, Hilary Mantel's A Place of Greater Safety.

Amazing book. And so I've done that, and I was obsessed with the Russian Revolution. And then the literature on that has expanded over time. And the show trials. And, you know, I don't know if you've ever seen House of Government. It's just an incredible book. And at different times, different things would come out. Oliver Cromwell, Zapata, the Roman Revolutions. And...

Amazing book. And so I've done that, and I was obsessed with the Russian Revolution. And then the literature on that has expanded over time. And the show trials. And, you know, I don't know if you've ever seen House of Government. It's just an incredible book. And at different times, different things would come out. Oliver Cromwell, Zapata, the Roman Revolutions. And...

So, yeah, I mean, my syllabus for the show is, it just goes back too far and too deep. It's just something I've always been fascinated in. I don't think of the show as a left-wing show, and I don't want you to think that I came on the show, I sort of said before, I saw the opportunity to use all this material and to dig into all these things, but that is not how I write.

So, yeah, I mean, my syllabus for the show is, it just goes back too far and too deep. It's just something I've always been fascinated in. I don't think of the show as a left-wing show, and I don't want you to think that I came on the show, I sort of said before, I saw the opportunity to use all this material and to dig into all these things, but that is not how I write.