Tony Gilroy

It's completely antithetical to the way I write. I write very, very small. I trust my instincts are going to take me someplace larger if I'm doing it right. But it's really almost exclusively all about character. I plot through dialogue. I go very, very deep. And you can see how many characters I have and how many I'm carrying. And I... I don't think of it as a pushing or promoting or anything.

It's completely antithetical to the way I write. I write very, very small. I trust my instincts are going to take me someplace larger if I'm doing it right. But it's really almost exclusively all about character. I plot through dialogue. I go very, very deep. And you can see how many characters I have and how many I'm carrying. And I... I don't think of it as a pushing or promoting or anything.

In fact, the ideology... But you're rooting.

In fact, the ideology... But you're rooting.

Yeah, go ahead.

Yeah, go ahead.

But there's no ever – what's fascinating is there's no – and particularly in the second season, I was really eager to get into the idea of particularly for – and using Stellan Skarsgård's character, Luthen, as the sort of – and Forrest Whitaker's character as sort of the original gangsters and the difficulty of integrating – the inceptors of radicalism, into a coalition.

But there's no ever – what's fascinating is there's no – and particularly in the second season, I was really eager to get into the idea of particularly for – and using Stellan Skarsgård's character, Luthen, as the sort of – and Forrest Whitaker's character as sort of the original gangsters and the difficulty of integrating – the inceptors of radicalism, into a coalition.

But I never... There's never anybody, I don't think, whoever espouses an actual ideology of what they want to achieve at the end, other than to please leave us alone, stop killing us, stop destroying our communities, don't build the Death Star and kill us. There's not a...

But I never... There's never anybody, I don't think, whoever espouses an actual ideology of what they want to achieve at the end, other than to please leave us alone, stop killing us, stop destroying our communities, don't build the Death Star and kill us. There's not a...

I never have a character I don't think stand up and say, this is the galaxy that I am trying to build, and this is what I want to see.

I never have a character I don't think stand up and say, this is the galaxy that I am trying to build, and this is what I want to see.

I'm with everybody on the show. I have to... I truly, without sounding like a T-shirt or a cliche, I mean, I have to live through every single one of them to do it properly. I have to really feel for every single person in the show. And there's no shortcut to that other than to empathetically dive into every person's point of view and every person's insecurities. And I'm as invested...

I'm with everybody on the show. I have to... I truly, without sounding like a T-shirt or a cliche, I mean, I have to live through every single one of them to do it properly. I have to really feel for every single person in the show. And there's no shortcut to that other than to empathetically dive into every person's point of view and every person's insecurities. And I'm as invested...

in Partagas and Dedramiro and Cyril as any of the other characters in the show.

in Partagas and Dedramiro and Cyril as any of the other characters in the show.

Yeah, exactly. I don't have the luxury. That sounds so glib. I just don't... I don't have any other way to work other than to fully be with everybody that I'm writing for and taking care of. And then as a dramatist, I also have actual...

Yeah, exactly. I don't have the luxury. That sounds so glib. I just don't... I don't have any other way to work other than to fully be with everybody that I'm writing for and taking care of. And then as a dramatist, I also have actual...

human beings who are doing this that are you know vivid and alive for me and so your your empathetic response to the character is also then as a as an element of transference to the people that are playing the parts and i don't know any other way to do it i just go back to your last point about before we move on from it yeah i think if there's any ideology in the show at all

human beings who are doing this that are you know vivid and alive for me and so your your empathetic response to the character is also then as a as an element of transference to the people that are playing the parts and i don't know any other way to do it i just go back to your last point about before we move on from it yeah i think if there's any ideology in the show at all