Tony Stubblebine

And it wasn't that the co-founders were feuding or that there was any sort of scandal.

It was just they're constantly trying to upgrade the team in order to keep up with what Twitter ended up being, which, you know, obviously had nothing to do with where we started, which was podcasting.

Yeah.

We were a podcasting directory.

And so me and, you know, Ev, one of the other Twitter founders who was the CEO of Odeo when I joined, you know, we're both like kind of flabbergasted that podcasting is still a thing because, you know,

Right.

That's the thing.

But, you know, we wrote five years early in 2006.

We're like a podcasting.

I'll never be a thing.

We had written it off, you know, almost 10 years before it actually was ready.

And so, you know, we were both early adopters.

But I think now, especially I feel like I was an early adopter and now a late adopter of podcasting.

Did you have you?

I won't tell you what he told me, but you know, he has his hands full.

Well, you know, he's like, well, maybe a podcasting could be built into medium.

And then, then, you know, like both of us are like, no.

Yeah, it's great in a way we kind of locked into this because we had this huge you know, this really huge initiative to build a traditional eyeballs business, which was based around a old tracking community called lift.

And at some point we just realized it was never going to get quite big.

Cause you know, the standards for an eyeball business when I started working in startups in 2005 was our rule of thumb is if you got 300,000 users, you are guaranteed at least a major acquisition.