Torsten Reil

Not everyone may agree with the decisions that we eventually take, but everyone can see how we arrived at those decisions. What decision did you take that was most unpopular? I don't think decisions have been particularly unpopular yet. We just recently announced that we are building strike drones. We built strike drone software as well.

And that is fraught with all kinds of complexities that you have to think about around the ethics side of it, both in terms of technology usage, how it's used, et cetera. And that is something that everyone contributed to the thinking around this. We managed to shine a light on

And that is fraught with all kinds of complexities that you have to think about around the ethics side of it, both in terms of technology usage, how it's used, et cetera. And that is something that everyone contributed to the thinking around this. We managed to shine a light on

And that is fraught with all kinds of complexities that you have to think about around the ethics side of it, both in terms of technology usage, how it's used, et cetera. And that is something that everyone contributed to the thinking around this. We managed to shine a light on

areas of technology development that i can't go into sadly that actually we probably didn't think about that much before so the other important part is that if you have a lot of i think intelligent engaged people look at the ethics problem around technology usage con ops and the concept of operations you just shine a light on kind of any kind of remaining area and so you just have much better coverage of all the questions that you have to do before we go to this very important news so you don't sell to those three who are the ambiguous like who's the like

areas of technology development that i can't go into sadly that actually we probably didn't think about that much before so the other important part is that if you have a lot of i think intelligent engaged people look at the ethics problem around technology usage con ops and the concept of operations you just shine a light on kind of any kind of remaining area and so you just have much better coverage of all the questions that you have to do before we go to this very important news so you don't sell to those three who are the ambiguous like who's the like

areas of technology development that i can't go into sadly that actually we probably didn't think about that much before so the other important part is that if you have a lot of i think intelligent engaged people look at the ethics problem around technology usage con ops and the concept of operations you just shine a light on kind of any kind of remaining area and so you just have much better coverage of all the questions that you have to do before we go to this very important news so you don't sell to those three who are the ambiguous like who's the like

Well, the easiest way to look at clear and not clear is to check out the Economist Democracy Index. That's what we used initially. The Economist Democracy Index. Exactly. So the Economist releases a list every year and it ranks countries according to how democratic they are, with 10, I believe, being the highest one, going down to zero. And so the ones at the top are easy.

Well, the easiest way to look at clear and not clear is to check out the Economist Democracy Index. That's what we used initially. The Economist Democracy Index. Exactly. So the Economist releases a list every year and it ranks countries according to how democratic they are, with 10, I believe, being the highest one, going down to zero. And so the ones at the top are easy.

Well, the easiest way to look at clear and not clear is to check out the Economist Democracy Index. That's what we used initially. The Economist Democracy Index. Exactly. So the Economist releases a list every year and it ranks countries according to how democratic they are, with 10, I believe, being the highest one, going down to zero. And so the ones at the top are easy.

The ones at the bottom are also easy. And then it starts becoming more complex in the middle because you have some countries, even in the EU, where in the past they haven't been

The ones at the bottom are also easy. And then it starts becoming more complex in the middle because you have some countries, even in the EU, where in the past they haven't been

The ones at the bottom are also easy. And then it starts becoming more complex in the middle because you have some countries, even in the EU, where in the past they haven't been

kind of ranked that highly but then governments have changed and they've ranked more highly again so it basically becomes a moving target and then there are also considerations around are they parts or are these some of these countries that are maybe in the grain gray zone part of democratic alliances that become important for democracies to survive and protect themselves for example

kind of ranked that highly but then governments have changed and they've ranked more highly again so it basically becomes a moving target and then there are also considerations around are they parts or are these some of these countries that are maybe in the grain gray zone part of democratic alliances that become important for democracies to survive and protect themselves for example

kind of ranked that highly but then governments have changed and they've ranked more highly again so it basically becomes a moving target and then there are also considerations around are they parts or are these some of these countries that are maybe in the grain gray zone part of democratic alliances that become important for democracies to survive and protect themselves for example

I think these complexities are there with any conflict and eventually it becomes complex and there is no right or wrong. I'm always aware that this sounds like a cop-out and this is what I've always been afraid of is that when you say it's complex, it sounds like a cop-out, but it isn't a cop-out. It is actually complicated and complex.

I think these complexities are there with any conflict and eventually it becomes complex and there is no right or wrong. I'm always aware that this sounds like a cop-out and this is what I've always been afraid of is that when you say it's complex, it sounds like a cop-out, but it isn't a cop-out. It is actually complicated and complex.

I think these complexities are there with any conflict and eventually it becomes complex and there is no right or wrong. I'm always aware that this sounds like a cop-out and this is what I've always been afraid of is that when you say it's complex, it sounds like a cop-out, but it isn't a cop-out. It is actually complicated and complex.

And you also need to weight certain components in a way that can be arbitrary. And so every conflict, I think, has these kinds of complications, and it's our responsibility to navigate it. Again, we could just lean back and say there's export law that makes it really easy.