Torsten Reil

You can't just have exquisite systems like tanks or artillery guns that are not particularly well connected, that take a while to take a shot. You need to work basically at the speed of software. You need to interconnect all of these systems. But crucially, you need to have precise mass on your own side as well.

You need to have the ability, however horrible that sounds, to have thousands and tens of thousands of strike drones to deter. Do governments understand this? I think some governments are starting to understand it. I think governments at large probably haven't understood it. There is a big wave coming towards us, and it is autonomy and software and defence. And it's unstoppable.

You need to have the ability, however horrible that sounds, to have thousands and tens of thousands of strike drones to deter. Do governments understand this? I think some governments are starting to understand it. I think governments at large probably haven't understood it. There is a big wave coming towards us, and it is autonomy and software and defence. And it's unstoppable.

You need to have the ability, however horrible that sounds, to have thousands and tens of thousands of strike drones to deter. Do governments understand this? I think some governments are starting to understand it. I think governments at large probably haven't understood it. There is a big wave coming towards us, and it is autonomy and software and defence. And it's unstoppable.

And we're just going to be forced into that race.

And we're just going to be forced into that race.

And we're just going to be forced into that race.

We can already look at Ukraine and look at the trends there. And the trend, even at the beginning, there were some drones that were being used. Remember the TB2s, for example, from Turkey. Over time, that's evolved towards more and more drones. Initially, it was to make up for lack of artillery munitions.

We can already look at Ukraine and look at the trends there. And the trend, even at the beginning, there were some drones that were being used. Remember the TB2s, for example, from Turkey. Over time, that's evolved towards more and more drones. Initially, it was to make up for lack of artillery munitions.

We can already look at Ukraine and look at the trends there. And the trend, even at the beginning, there were some drones that were being used. Remember the TB2s, for example, from Turkey. Over time, that's evolved towards more and more drones. Initially, it was to make up for lack of artillery munitions.

Now, actually, the drones themselves have such good success that more and more are being built. And I believe Ukraine is building one and a half million FPV drones, the small first-person view drones a year. I think Russia is building roughly the same. So there's already a shift towards mass and reasonably precise mass.

Now, actually, the drones themselves have such good success that more and more are being built. And I believe Ukraine is building one and a half million FPV drones, the small first-person view drones a year. I think Russia is building roughly the same. So there's already a shift towards mass and reasonably precise mass.

Now, actually, the drones themselves have such good success that more and more are being built. And I believe Ukraine is building one and a half million FPV drones, the small first-person view drones a year. I think Russia is building roughly the same. So there's already a shift towards mass and reasonably precise mass.

What hasn't happened yet is that those drones are scalable, but that will happen in terms of their usage. At the moment, you have one operator operating one drone. It's going to happen quite quickly that that's going to change, and you'll be able as a single operator to control multiple drones. And that trend, I think, we'll see playing out as early as next year.

What hasn't happened yet is that those drones are scalable, but that will happen in terms of their usage. At the moment, you have one operator operating one drone. It's going to happen quite quickly that that's going to change, and you'll be able as a single operator to control multiple drones. And that trend, I think, we'll see playing out as early as next year.

What hasn't happened yet is that those drones are scalable, but that will happen in terms of their usage. At the moment, you have one operator operating one drone. It's going to happen quite quickly that that's going to change, and you'll be able as a single operator to control multiple drones. And that trend, I think, we'll see playing out as early as next year.

It's not long now because the algorithms are all coming. We know this because we have those algorithms too. You said there about kind of drones having success. How do you measure success? I think it's the ability to hit the target. It's hitting a target that itself uses electronic warfare, so it tries to jam the signal of the drone.

It's not long now because the algorithms are all coming. We know this because we have those algorithms too. You said there about kind of drones having success. How do you measure success? I think it's the ability to hit the target. It's hitting a target that itself uses electronic warfare, so it tries to jam the signal of the drone.

It's not long now because the algorithms are all coming. We know this because we have those algorithms too. You said there about kind of drones having success. How do you measure success? I think it's the ability to hit the target. It's hitting a target that itself uses electronic warfare, so it tries to jam the signal of the drone.

These are some of the bigger problems right now that Ukraine is facing and that NATO will be facing in a peer conflict as well or any other country in a peer conflict. So drones themselves, if they're just remote controlled drones, eventually have the problem that they can be jammed. That's GPS jamming, so it doesn't know where it is.