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Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
Maybe three.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
So one, like, in the alpha fold paper, one of the transformer modules, they have a few, and the architecture is, like, very intricate.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
But they do, I think, five forwards passes through it.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
and will gradually like refine their solution as a result.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
You can also kind of think of the residual stream.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
I mean, Shelter alluded to kind of the read write operations as like a poor man's adaptive compute, where it's like, I'm just gonna give you all these layers.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
And like, if you wanna use them, great.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
If you don't, then that's also fine.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
And then people will be like, oh, well the brain is recurrent and you can like do however many loops through it
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
And I think to a certain extent, that's right.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
Like if I ask you a hard question, you'll spend more time thinking about it.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
And that would correspond to more forward passes.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
But I think there's a finite number of forward passes that you can do.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
It's kind of with language as well.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
People are like, oh, well, human language can have like infinite recursion in it, like infinite nested statements.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
Of like the boy jumped over the bear that was doing this, that had done this, that had done that.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
But like empirically, you'll only see five to seven levels of recursion, which kind of relates to whatever that magic number of like how many things you can hold in working memory at any given time is.
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Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
And so.
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Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
Yeah, it's not infinitely recursive, but like, does that matter in the regime of human intelligence?
Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind
And like, can you not just add more layers?