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Trenton Bricken

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

Yeah, you just have more genetic recombination and shots on target.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

Yeah, I think physics and math might be slightly different in this regard.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

But especially for biology or any sort of wetware, and to the extent we want to analogize neural networks here, it's comical how serendipitous a lot of the discoveries are.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

Like penicillin, for example.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

This is the Carl Schulman sort of argument of like, we're going to race through the orders of magnitude in the near term, but then longer term, it would, it would be harder.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

Exactly.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

So GoFi is good old-fashioned AI, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

And can you define that?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

Because when I hear it, I think if-else statements for symbolic logic.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

Not only that, but if you believe claims that GPT-4 is around 1 trillion parameter count, I mean, the human brain is between 30 and 300 trillion synapses.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

And so that's obviously not a one-to-one mapping and we can debate the numbers, but...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

it seems pretty plausible that we're below brand scale still.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

Yeah, but the sample efficiency stuff, I never know exactly how to think about it because obviously a lot of things are hardwired in certain ways, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

And they're like the co-evolution of language and like the brain structure.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

So it's hard to say.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

Also, there are some results that if you make your model bigger, it becomes more sample efficient.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

A lot of models almost have the sample efficiency.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

So maybe that also just solves it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken - How to Build & Understand GPT-7's Mind

Like you don't have to be more data efficient, but if your model's bigger, then you also just are more data efficient.