Trevor Collins

He described a nomadic group of people called the Niyuri, and the Niyuri were first mentioned by Herodotus but are believed to be a nomadic tribe of people that most likely had Slavic or Baltic background.

So we're talking like East and Northern Europe.

And he claimed that these people would transform into wolves for several days out of the year.

And when looking at this, many people believe that this is some sort of ceremony or maybe theorizing that it's an annual celebration of a kind.

Not too many details on that, but he says he heard about this in his writings from the Cianthians.

And while he was unconvinced, the locals swore it to be truth.

The Cyantheans were nomadic equestrian warriors, often described as barbarian-like individuals.

And so again, we have just a few breadcrumbs here to lay the groundwork, but it is fascinating that you go as far back as human storytelling is, or at least as far as we have it written on a record, a clay tablet, you see humans turning into wolves.

I was like well I'm like I'm wondering like what's the simplified version of that right was someone being punished and then from that point on treated like a wolf or a dog you know put into a cage given a bowl or they eat you know what I mean punished and tortured in that sense and then from there you know there's

rumblings and rumors of a person like you know being caged up like a dog and then that gets spun into there's a person that turned into a dog or dog like you know features or whatnot and um so i'm trying to think like what would be that origin you know and then from there it'll how's it get spun up you know people see a full moon maybe they think you always locked up in that tower maybe you hear the cries of the person like being tortured or punished and it's like oh my gosh transforming you know i'm trying to like

piece that together like what would that look like like where are people pulling this from and then glorifying it but yeah

You know, you woke something up in me that I didn't really think about until just now, like even despite it through the research with Kat and reading through this outline and things.

But you're on to something because what is kindling this in the stories?

There must be something.

And honestly, my instinct says that it is the historic relationship between man and wolf or modern day dogs, right?

Man's best friend.

I completely agree.

I do think this is just off the cuff, completely just...

guessing here but i believe that the human wolf relationship goes back at least 15 000 years it's probably longer depending i mean i don't know how far records go back the domestication of wolves and so because of that i wouldn't be surprised if by this point four thousand years ago we are deeply and greatly primed to talk about the relationship between man and wolf

And maybe, yeah, maybe it is seen as a punishment to go from the apex human into the more subservient wolf.