Trey Kirby

The way he was interacting with the other guys on inside, I thought was not playful enough.

You got to have a sense of joy on that set.

And he has a sense of, I want to beat you in the debate.

What's that look like?

It kind of reminds me, the way Draymond was on his most recent appearance reminded me sort of of like when Shaq first started going on inside.

And it was like, okay, man, just take a joke.

Have some fun.

And Shaq grew into his role.

He's become like the jester, you know, and he does have just a sense of playfulness on the outside.

I don't know if that's Draymond's personality.

Eventually they did.

They read the stat to him that he's like the Kendrick Perkins of the NBA.

He kind of laughed.

He kind of laughed, but you could tell he was upset.

He just seems to take it very personally, and I think that's Chuck's charm is that we know he was a great player.

He was a better player than Draymond was.

Draymond maybe had a more successful career.

Different scenarios for sure, but the thing with Chuck is that he can dish it out and he can take it.

He does not mind being the butt of the joke at all because he's the butt a lot.

Okay.