Tristan Harris

That's right.

Which is why you need to have built in checks and balances on power that are irreplaceable.

Like you cannot have a world where that whatever power gets centralized has to have oversight and democratic accountability and distribution and wealth of that wealth and power, depending on if we're talking about the wealth versus the power.

So you're asking the question, if let's say the US and China sign an agreement, how do we know that given their maximum incentive to defect on that agreement and have the CIA or their black operations still continue to do the research project?

This is obviously the hardest technology and coordination problem that humanity has ever faced.

I just need to say that at the top.

I'm not saying any of this is easy.

It makes nuclear war look like child's play.

Correct.

But by the way, I want you to know,

There's a great video, and I can send it to you, of Robert Oppenheimer asked in the 1960s, I think he's testifying for something, an interview.

And they asked him, how could we control this technology from proliferating?

And he takes a big puff and a cigarette.

And he says, it's too late.

If you wanted to prevent the spread of nuclear technology, you would have had to do it the day after Trinity.

Trinity was the first test of the first nuclear bomb.

He believed, I think this interview was in the 1960s, he believed it was inevitable, there was nothing we could do, and the world was fucked.

Even he, the creator of the atomic bomb, didn't see that a lot of people would work very hard over the course of the next 30 years to invent what's called national technical means or satellites that do mutual monitoring enforcement.

That we would create the seismic monitoring technology to be able to see if you were doing an underground nuclear test or an above ground test because we would see the reverberations of that.

So satellites, seismic monitoring, international inspectors, the International Atomic Energy Agency, we had to invent all of these new things to create a governance system that was capable of dealing with nuclear weapons.