Tristan Harris

In a safe way.

Yeah, exactly.

There's sort of an asymmetry where the destructive capacity is easy to create.

The governance capacity is way harder to create.

Bingo.

The defensive capacity is harder to create.

You could have said at the beginning of 1945, I guess it's inevitable.

150 countries are going to have nuclear weapons.

There's nothing we could do.

Let's just like drink margaritas and give everybody uranium and increase GDP by selling uranium to the entire world.

But we didn't do that.

And people had to invent stuff.

We needed our best engineers and our best minds working on how to figure that out.

And I'll just say, if you want to look this up, RAND, the nonprofit defense think tank, has a paper on how international monitoring and verification mechanisms could potentially work for AI.

It's not easy.

It is not trivial.

It would require extraordinary investments in mutual monitoring and enforcement and data centers and chips that attest where they are and

All this kind of stuff.

There are proposals.

So there are some... There's inspectors.