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Tristan Harris

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Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

We're in this arms race for attention, just like public utilities, which by the way, if like in California, it'd be PG and E in Texas.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

What's your electricity provider.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

It's like, fuck knows.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

I don't know.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

I have no idea.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

I have no idea what my electricity.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

Okay.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

Well, technically energy companies have an incentive to maximize revenue.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

So theoretically they're like, leave the lights on, leave the stove on, like do the water 24 seven because we make more money when we do that.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

But because public utilities rely on a scarce resource called energy that has environmental emissions that we have to deal with, there's a decoupling of revenue from their incentive.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

So, for example, in California...

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

You're charged a base rate for like the initial energy you use.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

And then once you're hitting kind of the capacity that would be straining the system, we start to charge you more.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

But that extra revenue doesn't go just into PG&E, the energy company's pocket.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

It goes into a fund to have more clean energy to offset it and create more energy capacity.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

So with attention, you could say instead of companies maximizing attention and driving revenue,

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

You get to make money from the initial tier one of attention that you're getting.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

And then after that, the resources go into a common pool that's investing in the research, the XPRIZES, the design solutions that research and show that there's different ways of doing news feeds.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

There's different ways.

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#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

We could have news feeds that are all about directing you back towards community.