Tristan Harris

2,000 to one gap.

You said to me backstage that there's more regulation on a sandwich.

There's more regulation on a sandwich in New York City than there is on building potentially world-ending AGI.

This is not rocket science.

This is very, very basic.

If there's danger up ahead, the point that Asa made is if we all saw what we're building as dangerous, which it is, then intrinsically everyone would start to take actions.

Actions that we can't even predict.

But I think everybody sort of...

enamored, fascinated by the possibility, as Adam was saying at the beginning of the show, you're excited because...

I'm excited because the exponential ability that they're describing can also be applied to all the things that make us uniquely human.

If you have this amazing AGI that can create new pathways to energy, we could desalinate water more quickly.

If we do have an international consortium making these decisions, we could say everyone gets enough energy to do what their community wants to do.

And if we go on the route of those goals, AGI unlocks a whole new level of potential for humanity and everyone is safe and fed and happy.

Okay.

So just to name, it's not like we're just critics.

We've both built technology companies.

In fact, I spent half my life working on something called the Earth Species Project, and we are using AI to understand the language of whales and orangutans and chimpanzees.

And elephants.

Yeah.

And elephants, exactly.