Tristan Harris

We're making massive progress.

And it's very, very beautiful.

And so it's really important, though, that if we actually want to get the future we want to live in, that we distinguish the possible from the probable.

Because, you know, the possible of the internet was we'd all have access to the most information, all of human knowledge all at once.

Obviously, we're going to be the wisest, most informed population.

But is that the future we live in?

No, it's the opposite.

Social media, the same thing.

Like it could connect us all and bring us closer together.

Is that what we got?

No, it's the opposite.

So with AI, actually we have a whole bunch of examples of the future we're going to get because we've sort of, we've seen this movie before.

And specifically the way that in 2013, Aza and I, how many people here have seen The Social Dilemma on Netflix?

And many of you, okay.

So you'll know that since 2013, Is and I were working on the problem of social media and the business models that would lead to this problem.

So in 2013, we were able to predict all the things that we're living in, about 70% of them, I would say.

And it's not because you have some kind of unique insight.

All you have to do to understand the future is you have to understand the incentives.

How do the social media companies make money?

And in 2013, we saw that there was an arms race for attention and engagement.