Tristan Harris

Whoever is better at keeping you on the screen, coming back more frequently, interrupting you more frequently from your life and from your friends and your partner, sending you notifications, manipulating your social proof, manipulating, hey, your friends are missing out, all of that,

are incentivized by that business model.

And so in 2013, it was like we had pre, not post-traumatic stress disorder, but pre-traumatic stress disorder from seeing a future 10 years down the line that was gonna be this societal catastrophe.

And the reason that we're here is not to be doomers or something like that.

This is about seeing clearly.

So imagine if you could go back to 2013, you see those incentives, say, let's put our hand on the steering wheel and change that business model.

Yeah.

And so what I hear you guys saying is that learn the lessons from the past because we know the future is already here.

And how do we make this better in this moment?

Because we know what's coming if we don't.

That's right.

All right.

Let's take a break, listeners, because up next, Sinead Bovel, a futurist and technology advocate, joins our conversation to talk about why she says most of the jobs that we see today will either go away or be radically transformed by AI.

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Artificial intelligence is barreling towards us at a rate that will change life as we know it sooner than we think.

So what will our world look like when reports say more than 20% of jobs will be replaced by AI?

Let's find out.

So Sinead Bovel is a futurist and advocate for technology, education, and ethics.

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