Tristan Harris

And the race to build this sort of artificial general intelligence god as fast as possible, no matter what the consequences.

Yeah, that's right.

Because for them, that means all collateral damage is justified, whether it's stealing IP, whether it's making unsafe AI that does notification, whether it's disrupting everyone's jobs and taking their form of livelihood.

But guys, aren't we already there?

As I was saying earlier, isn't the horse already out of the barn?

Well, some aspects of AI, they're already out there.

But I think you've done such a good job, Oprah, of having Jonathan Haidt and Anna Lemke and people on this show talking about the problems of social media.

Right.

And that train, it left the station.

The train's coming back to the station.

We have 25% of the world's population.

Just last week, India and Indonesia enacted social media bans for kids under 15 and 16.

Yeah, I was in Australia when that ban went into effect.

That's right, and you've been covering this in Australia.

And this shows you that when people are crystal clear that something is causing a problem, we can say we don't want that.

Now, the better solution is to actually have technology that's good for society, good for mental health, good for children's development, good for our information environment.

And to do that, eventually we need to change the incentives.

But right now, I think that movement is showing some real wins.

And I think what I hear you guys saying, and I've been hearing this now for, was it two years or three years ago we first met, that

You're saying we need to do something before there is a disaster.