Tristan Harris
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Exactly.
But, hey, it looked for a moment when we first invented nuclear bombs, that this is just knowledge that everyone's going to have.
And there's no way we can stop it.
And 150 countries are going to get nukes.
And then that didn't happen.
And it wasn't obvious to people at that moment.
I want people to relate.
So there you are.
It seems obvious that everyone's going to get this.
How in the world could we stop it?
Did we even conceptualize the seismic monitoring equipment and the satellites that could look at
people's build-outs of nuclear technology and tracking the sources of uranium around the world and having intelligence agents and tracking nuclear scientists.
We had to build a whole global infrastructure, the International Atomic Energy Agency, to deal with the problem of nuclear proliferation.
What uranium was for the spread of nuclear weapons, these advanced NVIDIA chips are for building the most advanced AI.
Yes, some rogue actor can have a small AI model doing something small,
but only the big actors can do something with this, like the bigger, more risky, closer to AGI level technology.
And have we spent, you know, people say it's impossible to do something else, but has anybody saying that actually spent more than a week, like dedicatedly trying to think about and conceptualize what that infrastructure could be?
There are companies like Lucid Computing that are building ways to retrofit data centers to have kind of the nuclear monitoring and enforcement infrastructure where countries could verify treaties, where they know what the other country's data centers are doing, but in a privacy-protecting way.
We could map our data centers and have them on a shared map.
We could have satellite monitoring looking at heat emissions and electrical signal monitoring and understanding what kinds of training runs might be happening on these AI models.