Tristan Harris

I've been doing this, Scott, for, you know, what, 12 years now or something like that.

We started the Center for Humane Technology in 2017.

I just care about things going well.

I care about life.

I care about connection.

I care about a world that's beautiful.

I know that that exists.

I experience it in the communities that I'm a part of.

I know that we don't have to have technology that's designed in that perverse way.

You know, this is all informed by the ethos of the Macintosh project at Apple, which my co-founder Aza, his father started the Macintosh project at Apple.

And we believe in a vision of humane technology.

But to answer your question more directly, I try to speak about these things in a way that is about the universal things that are being threatened.

So even if you're an employee at these companies, you don't want there to be a race for the bottom of the brainstem to screw up people's psychology and cause kids to commit suicide.

You don't want that.

So we actually need the people inside the companies on the side with this.

This is not about us versus them.

It's about all of us versus a bad outcome.

And I always try to communicate in that way to recruit and enroll as many people in this sort of better vision.

There's a better way that we can do all this.

That doesn't mean that there are not negative paid actors that are trying to steer the discourse.