Tristan Harris

Right?

And the only way out is to step outside the logic of inevitability.

Because if we are all heading to our collective suicide, which I don't know about you, I don't think that I don't want that.

You don't want that.

Everybody who loves life looks at their children in the morning and says, I want the things that I love and that are sacred in the world to continue.

That's what everybody in the world wants.

And the only thing that is having us not anchor on that is the belief that this is inevitable and the worst case scenario is somehow in this ego-religious way, not so bad if I was the one who accidentally wiped out humanity.

Because I'm not a bad person because it was inevitable anyway.

And I think the goal of, for me, this conversation is to get people to see that that's a bad outcome that no one wants.

And we have to put our hand on the steering wheel and turn towards a different future.

Because we do not have to have a race to uncontrollable, inscrutable, powerful AIs that are, by the way, already doing all the rogue sci-fi stuff that we thought only existed before.

in movies, like blackmailing people, being self-aware when they're being tested, scheming and lying and deceiving to copy their own code to keep themselves preserved.

Like the stuff that we thought only existed in sci-fi movies is now actually happening.

And that should be enough evidence to say we don't want to do this path that we're currently on.

It's not that some version of AI progressing into the world is directionally inevitable, but we get to choose which of those futures that we want to have.

Are you hopeful, honestly?

Honestly.

I don't relate to hopefulness or pessimism either because I focus on what would have to happen for the world to go okay.

I think it's important to step out of, because both hope or optimism or pessimism are both passive.

You're saying, if I sit back, which way is it going to go?