Tristan Harris

So I built a god and I lost control of it, but it's now basically it's running humanity.

It's running the show.

It's choosing what happens.

It's out competing everyone on everything.

That's not that bad an outcome.

Third scenario, it's not aligned.

It's not controllable, and it does wipe everybody out.

And that should be demotivating to that person, to an Elon or someone.

But in that scenario, they were the one that birthed the digital god that replaced all of humanity.

This is really important to get because in nuclear weapons, the risk of nuclear war is an omni-lose-lose outcome.

Everyone wants to avoid that.

And I know that you know that I know that we both want to avoid that.

So that motivates us to coordinate and to have a nuclear nonproliferation treaty.

But with AI, the worst-case scenario of everybody gets wiped out is a little bit different for the people making that decision.

Because if I'm the CEO of DeepSeek and I make that AI that does wipe out humanity, and that's the worst-case scenario, and it wasn't avoidable because it was all inevitable, then even though we all got wiped out, I was the one who built the digital god that replaced humanity, and there's kind of ego in that.

And the god that I built speaks Chinese instead of English.

Yeah.

Which is like, is this inevitable?

It's important to note because if you believe it's – if everybody who's building it believes it's inevitable and the investors funding it believe it's inevitable, it co-creates the inevitability.

Yeah.