Tristan Harris

Now, I also want people to know, like, you don't have to buy into the sci-fi level risks to be very concerned about AI.

So hopefully later we'll talk about the many other risks that are already hitting us right now that you don't have to believe any of this stuff.

He was the guy.

Yeah, he was saying, this is more dangerous than nukes.

He was saying, I try to get people to stop doing it.

This is summoning the demon.

Those are his words, not mine.

Yeah.

We shouldn't do this.

Supposedly, he used his first and only meeting with President Obama, I think in 2016, to advocate for global regulation and global controls on AI.

Yeah.

because he was very worried about it.

And then really what happened is ChatGPT came out, and as you said, that was the starting gun, and now everybody was in an all-out race to get there first.

I felt the same, by the way.

Some people might think that I'm some kind of AI enthusiast and I'm trying to – I didn't believe that AI was a thing to be worried about at all until suddenly the last two, three years where you can actually see where we're headed.

But –

Oh man, there's just, there's so much to say about all this.

So if you think about it from their perspective, it's like best case scenario, I build it first and it's aligned and controllable, meaning that it will take the actions that I want.

It won't destroy humanity and it's controllable, which means I get to be God and emperor of the world.

Second scenario, it's not controllable, but it's aligned.