Tristan Harris

And you realize that – I realized that I knew more about that than people who were on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Making the laws.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that was a very humbling experience because I realized, oh, there's not that many adults out there when it comes to technology's dominating influence on the world.

And so there's a responsibility – and I hope people listening to this who are in technology –

Realize that if you understand technology and technology is eating the structures of our world, children's development, democracy, education, journalism, conversation, it is up to people who understand this to be part of stewarding it in a conscious way.

And I do know that there have been many people, in part because of things like the social dilemma and some of this work, that have basically chosen to devote their lives to moving in this direction as well.

But what I feel is a responsibility because I know that most people don't understand how this stuff works.

And they feel insecure because if I don't understand the technology, then who am I to criticize which way this is going to go?

We call this the under-the-hood bias.

you know, if I don't know how a car engine works, and if I don't have a PhD in the engineering that makes an engine, then I have nothing to say about car accidents.

Like, no, you don't have to understand what's the engine in the car to understand the consequence that affects everybody of car accidents.

And you can advocate for things like, you know, speed limits and zoning laws and, you know, turning signals and brakes and things like this.

And so, yeah, I mean, to me, it's just obvious.

It's like,

I see what's at stake if we don't make different choices.

And I think in particular, the social media experience for me of seeing in 2013, it was like seeing into the future and seeing where this was all going to go.

Imagine you're sitting there in 2013 and the world is working relatively normally.

We're starting to see these early effects.