Tristan Harris

So before Steve Jobs took it over, he started the Macintosh project and he wrote a book called The Humane Interface about how technology could be humane.

and could be sensitive to human needs and human vulnerabilities.

That was his key distinction, that just like this chair, hopefully, is ergonomic.

If you make an ergonomic chair, it's aligned with the curvature of your spine.

It works with your anatomy.

And he had the idea of a humane technology like the Macintosh that works with the ergonomics of your mind.

that your mind has certain intuitive ways of working.

Like I can drag a window and I can drag an icon and move that icon from this folder to that folder and making computers easy to use by understanding human vulnerabilities.

And I think of this new project that is the collective human technology project now is we have to make technology writ large humane to societal vulnerabilities.

Technology has to serve and be aligned with human dignity rather than wipe out dignity with job loss.

It has to be humane to child socialization process so that technology is actually designed to strengthen children's development rather than undermine it and cause AI suicides, which we haven't talked about yet.

And so I deeply believe that we can do this differently, and I feel responsibility in that.

Mine said Messi, his says Ronaldo.

Well, this reminds me of the social media problem, which is that people think when they open up their news feed, they're getting mostly the same news as other people.

And they don't realize that they've got a supercomputer that's just calculating the news for them.

If you remember in the social element, there's the trailer.

And if you typed into Google, for a while, if you typed in climate change is, and then depending on your location, it would say not real versus real versus, you know, a made up thing.

And it wasn't trying to optimize for truth.

It was just optimizing for what the most popular queries were in those different locations.

And I think that that's a really important lesson when you look at things like AI companions, where children...